Hell on the Loose?

14 Jun

I do believe that the wild west was a lot dirtier than it was wild but thanks to movies and television most folks believe that the old west was wild because it was a time of lawlessness when outlaws roamed free with guns always at the ready to create mayhem or evil doing. And whenever a bad guy turned up with his gun, wishing to do his evil deeds, there would be a law abiding citizen or posses on hand to help fight him to the death with their own legally owned guns. Eventually the good guys won by using their good guns to kill all of the bad guys with their bad guns and thus the west was won!

Then of course the good guys put away their guns and relaxed in peace until now, and years later… the bad guys and evil doing, are back! And it’s time to get our guns on again… so I guess that’s why over 18 states now have what is known as a permissive open carry law for gun owners where openly  carrying a firearm is lawful on foot and in a motor vehicle (as long as you’re not using your cell phone I guess). Those in favor of open carry laws say that criminals usually conceal their weapons but law abiding citizens proudly display their sidearms…So there’s that…

However, 22 states have now also adopted a form of what is known as the Castle Doctrine (which states that a person has no duty to retreat when their home (IE: Castle) is attacked) that removes the duty of retreat from other locations. These “Stand Your Ground”, laws state that a person has no duty or other requirement to abandon a place in which he has a right to be. So in these states people can defend themselves, with deadly force, if they think someone is trying to kill them or seriously harm them.

So, if your state (and you are going to have to check yourself)  has both the open carry and the stand your ground laws in effect then what happens when two citizens who are openly carrying their weapons meet in a place where they both have a legal right to be? Do they look at one another and say “Howdy law abiding 2nd Amendment lover and good citizen. I see that you are carrying your weapon out in the open, so you, like me, are one of the good guys. Let’s have a drink together!”

But what if they each, in their own way, feel threatened by the other? What if one of them is wearing a hoodie? Or it’s dark out? Or they are each wearing a different color of skin. Or one is sporting a turban? Or wearing a sour expression. Or playing loud music? Or has a long beard that looks UN-American? Or God knows what all? Does all hell then break loose?…Legally?

Few people realize that this is exactly what made the “Wild West” wild! And the west didn’t become mild until famous lawmen like Wyatt Earp, Bat Masterson and many others came to western towns and, as their first order of business…eliminated guns! No guns, except those that lawmen had, meant that no one had to worry about getting shot by ordinary, everyday looking citizens (even the ones dressed in black)…because the last thing that any civilized territory, town or country wants is…

Regular citizens walking around with guns!? Who think that they are upholding the law in lieu of lawmen!? Being vigilant in the absence of the law?! If you love guns and upholding the law and defending your rights as a citizen then join the police force. Support your police force and ask for more taxes to fund more police. Ask to get deputized. Or Sign up for the local militia…like the 2nd A. suggests.

In any case, whether you agree with me or not, I have the sneaking suspicion that we all soon shall see… if the gun proponents are correct and your state becomes a safer place in which to live…or…all hell breaks loose.


10 Responses to “Hell on the Loose?”

  1. Anne June 14, 2014 at 1:34 am #

    I wish I could “like” this more than once!

  2. catsholiday June 14, 2014 at 8:50 am #

    I am anti gun – Ban the lot in my view!

  3. makagutu June 14, 2014 at 11:19 am #

    Crazy people these gun lobbyists

  4. cricketmuse June 14, 2014 at 12:57 pm #

    Pandora has opened the box and as the saying goes “they’ll only go back in if pried from cold fingers.” Americans have a long history with guns and I don’t think they will easily give them up. I dislike the violence associated with them and abhor the epidemic of campus violence. As a school teacher I am concerned over having to include shooter drills with fire drills. We elected not to arm staff but now have a full time safety resource officer as part of our staff. We have become an angry nation and anger leads to violence. It’s shocking how so many acts of violence take place on school campuses. Learning, not mourning should be the standard.

  5. avwalters June 14, 2014 at 4:47 pm #

    The general rule is that one must refrain (thus the retreat aspect) from using deadly force, unless the attacked party was under threat of deadly force (which would provide the shield of self-defense.) The “Castle” doctrine merely embodied versions of common law that said a person attacked in his or her home could use deadly force without having to first retreat from his or her home. Though any violence is repugnant in an ordered society, most people are comfortable with the idea that they can legally defend themselves at home, when attacked.

    Stand your ground is a whole new animal. One does not have the same “castle” rationale when moving about in public. And there, to make social interaction achievable, we must be prepared to retreat from an altercation. Stand Your Ground laws eliminate that extra step of precaution. Moreover, they usually include a “subjective” standard of whether the killer felt threatened. That’s just insane. The laws cannot work if we are twisting in the wind on some subjective standard of whether somebody “felt” safe. As we’ve seen, the Stand Your Ground rationale is often employed when the killer was himself the instigator in an altercation. This is a complete departure from common law (and common sense.) Stand Your Ground is open season in public interaction; these laws should be abolished.

    I’ve read that impulsive anger and anti-social activity diminishes when pre-school children are taught an increased level of vocabulary. This appears to be the case, across the socio-economic spectrum, and regardless of whether there is trouble at home. Maybe we could learn from this and the phrase, “Use your words,” could have radically important meaning.

  6. C.D.Belacho June 15, 2014 at 1:19 am #

    Strong point.

  7. GSP June 15, 2014 at 4:20 pm #

    Any citizen responsibly carrying knows that their mission is different from that of a cop.


    • gpicone June 17, 2014 at 12:03 am #

      And their mission is???

      • GSP June 17, 2014 at 12:04 am #

        Defense of themselves and those under their care, not law enforcement.

  8. womanseyeview June 17, 2014 at 9:39 pm #

    yes you have one crazy country down there! I remember a Canadian comedian here during the cold war quipping that it wasn’t a soviet military invasion they feared but an invasion by gun totting citizens to the south of us! Good luck.

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