12 May

If Jesus were walking the Earth today, what do you think he would have to say about Capitalism as the form of government here in the United States of America, the self described greatest Christian nation in the history of mankind?

Do you think he would be in favor of it?

Or would he like to see it replaced with a theocracy more in tune to the worship of himself, as God…

Or would he prefer a government more in tune with “Loving your neighbor as yourself?”

In my mind capitalism is more like, loving yourself as yourself, but maybe I don’t get it…

Any thoughts?

16 Responses to “He-ocracy?”

  1. willowdancer May 12, 2014 at 10:46 pm #

    In my opinion, I don’t feel that Jesus would have an issue with capitalism per se but only with the way it’s been practiced for the past 50 years or so. The greed and “all for me” attitude that oozes from our country today reminds me of that of the Roman Empire right before its collapse or maybe right before Marie Antoinette uttered the now famous “Let them eat cake!” And then had her head chopped off. Yep, I don’t think Jesus would be digging the way we treat others and would be shaking his head, wondering how long it would take for us humans to finally get it!!!

  2. bikerchick57 May 12, 2014 at 11:34 pm #

    Well, my girlfriend thinks socialism is great because, you know, it allows us to go out there and make money. Lots of money. This coming from someone who has been unemployed almost a year due to a merger of three corporations, one of which gave her a pink slip. Socialism isn’t working for me as a state government employee either. I’m living at the mercy of a Republican Governor.

    I think Jesus would be peeved at the state of affairs in our country. He would ask why we aren’t doing more to help the less fortunate and why we are judging our neighbors instead of loving them. I know, that last part has nothing to do with capitalism other than I believe it keeps us from being a true Christ follower where we place less value on money and things and cast more value on the human condition and kindness toward everyone.

    • bikerchick57 May 14, 2014 at 2:50 am #

      By the way, I meant “capitalism”, not socialism.

  3. Morgan Mussell May 13, 2014 at 12:59 am #

    “the self described greatest Christian nation in the history of mankind?” – To paraphrase Clint Eastwood in “Unforgiven,” “Christianity’s got nothin’ to do with it.”

    And on another note, I have never forgotten, over two decades ago, reading an article in “The Guardian” regarding the then ongoing debate about bilingual education in this country. One of our esteemed senators (the article did not name him), said “If English was good enough for Jesus Christ, it’s good enough for me!”

    If it has been digitized, and someone had the technical means to search the 1988 Congressional Record, they could see which distinguished gentleman made that observation…

  4. ontyrepassages May 13, 2014 at 1:21 am #

    Christ would adore our country where we’re free to acquire as much as possible for ourselves while others suffer. He’d gaze in wonder at our ability to harbor hatred behind our smiles. We’ve not a theocracy, but the democracy we possess hangs by a thread. Instead, we’re a monarchy looking for a place to happen, a monarchy based, not on blood, but wealth. We inch ever closer…

    • A Voice May 13, 2014 at 1:57 am #

      An oligarchy is what you are seeking to describe however, depending on how cynical or conspiratorial the individual, we’ve been deeply rooted in this form of government since the early 1900’s.

      • ontyrepassages May 14, 2014 at 4:07 pm #

        You’re exactly right. You summoned the term that was eluding me. Thank you.

      • A Voice May 14, 2014 at 6:09 pm #

        You’re very welcome.

  5. A Voice May 13, 2014 at 1:59 am #

    Christ would genuinely be appalled. Christ’s message was, in a very real way, deeply political and it’s important to have a grasp on that particular portion of the message.

    There is a lot more to say to this, of course, but it’s far too lengthy to leave in a comment.

  6. thebookybunhead May 13, 2014 at 2:21 am #

    I think the whole consumerist attitude and lifestyle we have linked to progress, especially in the economic sense, is the root of most issues in the world. It has caused people to have to fend for themselves and disregard the message “Love your neighbour. ”

  7. RAB May 13, 2014 at 2:03 pm #

    I think Jesus’ teachings align perfectly with my own social and political ideas (don’t we all?). I’m a democratic socialist; I also describe myself as a secular Christian. Pay your taxes (“render unto Caesar”), do your proper work with diligence, respect (love) and care for your neighbors–i.e., your fellow beings–and yourself, temper justice with mercy, and share your wealth for the general good. The “democratic” part = speak up for what’s right, participate in your world. I went through quite a pious period in my younger years and have read the New Testament pretty thoroughly, and I don’t think there’s a single statement attributed to Jesus that doesn’t fit this philosophy. Unfortunately, I do think that the bible-thumpers (easier to thump if unopened) have aligned themselves with the elitists and the greedy autocrats to take this nation ever more eagerly in the opposite direction.

  8. avwalters May 13, 2014 at 3:21 pm #

    I’m afraid that what we have now is a Me-ocracy. We are just about exactly where we were at the turn of the last century, complete with full-blown robber-barons and wild inequality. The only difference I see is that the more frequent use of corporate structure creates wealth that is truly “soul-less.” Corporations cannot be held to a moral standard, because, as fictional “persons” they are accountable only to shareholders on earnings–and to a lesser extent, to public opinion (if it affects the bottom line.) Even guilt isn’t persuasive when there’s no “one responsible person.” Everybody is just doing their job–to get ahead. Late in their lives, even the 19th Century robber barons gave to charity. (At some point almost everyone worries about their legacy, if not their soul.)

    Our current corporatocracy is like a runaway train–fueled by a capitalist business and consumption model, but without any behavioral standards. Modern corporations limit corporate giving to those poster-child charities that are good for image. Beyond that, the new post-Citizens United rules have corporate giving mostly to politics and mostly for self-serving reasons. The real citizens have plenty to worry about.

  9. Doreen Gatien May 13, 2014 at 4:16 pm #

    In the book of Genesis chapter 6:5-6 we are told God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth and that every thought and imagination in man’s heart was only evil continually. It also tells us that God was grieved in His heart and that he was sorry that He made man. Is it better today? Or worse? Mankind is still rejecting God’s commandments, and yet He shows us every day how much He loves us. Sadly even some men who preach God’s Holy writings are afraid to stand up and say “It is written.” They preach “God is love” only, but do not preach that He is also a Judge. Don’t stand on the side of “popularity” stand for Christ in “full” truth. Thank you always for your writings brother and May God bless you today and always.

  10. onnovocks May 13, 2014 at 4:32 pm #

    I don’t know what Jesus would have thought, but here is what I think: bring back the labor unions, stop treating corporations like individuals, and limit their ability to purchase politicians. Sacrilege, I know…

    I don’t know what the answer is but this type of situation usually self-corrects when it gets bad enough, I don’t want to be there when it does, it won’t be fun.

  11. onnovocks May 14, 2014 at 10:36 am #

    There is a group making an attempt, I know nothing about these folks but they may be worth a look. https://mayone.us/ is their website and yes, they want money to fight money.

  12. TamrahJo June 1, 2014 at 5:22 pm #

    Wonderful post and conversation! Reminded me of portions of Ben Franklin’s short speech, read by another as he was too ill to give, prior to the signing of the Constitution – here are excerpts that I had to search and find, because I originally heard of them via the Founding Fathers documentary – I believe them to be as well disposed to discussing our current form of capitalism as they were discussing forming a democracy:

    “I confess that there are several parts of this constitution which I do not at present approve, but I am not sure I shall never approve them: For having lived long, I have experienced many instances of being obliged by better information, or fuller consideration, to change opinions even on important subjects, which I once thought right, but found to be otherwise. It is therefore that the older I grow, the more apt I am to doubt my own judgment, and to pay more respect to the judgment of others…”

    “…In these sentiments, Sir, I agree to this Constitution with all its faults, if they are such; because I think a general Government necessary for us, and there is no form of Government but what may be a blessing to the people if well administered, and believe farther that this is likely to be well administered for a course of years, and can only end in Despotism, as other forms have done before it, when the people shall become so corrupted as to need despotic Government, being incapable of any other. I doubt too whether any other Convention we can obtain, may be able to make a better Constitution. For when you assemble a number of men to have the advantage of their joint wisdom, you inevitably assemble with those men, all their prejudices, their passions, their errors of opinion, their local interests, and their selfish views. From such an assembly can a perfect production be expected? …”

    “…Thus I consent, Sir, to this Constitution because I expect no better, and because I am not sure, that it is not the best. …”

    I believe our form of capitalism did have it’s golden years – that we once pushed the envelop towards the next evolution of our growth as a species and that, at the time, it was the best we could aspire too – –

    And yet, it has become corrupted, manipulated and disgraced – much as those who strive to keep ahead of those who engage in criminal behavior, with the criminals either becoming martyrs to some new leap in human equality or seen for the disruptive force they may be, we must always look to how we can do better – for nothing lasts forever, it is only a prelude to the next big step –

    And I think, capitalism must be seen as it is – an initial leap forward, a system degraded by those who use it for their own ends and inspiration to those who dream of one step better…

    Sorry for the long comment – but I do so love Ben Franklin – – 🙂

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