The Price of Freedom?

28 Apr

Perhaps I was a bit too wordy in my last post so I’ll try again….

A 4 year old went into his house and picked up a rifle then went outside and shot a 6 year old friend to death.

Should there be a penalty for the gun owner (not for the gun… but the owner)

And what kind of penalty?…

Or was this incident simply a price that some Americans pay for our freedom and the 2nd amendment of the US Constitution?

16 Responses to “The Price of Freedom?”

  1. Mary R April 28, 2013 at 6:10 pm #

    There’s no question but that the owner of the gun was a fool.and it’s too easy to get guns in your country,It’s nt the Wild West any more.Why not give everyone an atom bomb!You get my drift?

  2. Ken Marteney April 28, 2013 at 7:05 pm #

    It’s a tough one. I don’t think there is one right answer. I think everyone has skin in that game.

  3. sheilamariegrimes April 28, 2013 at 7:47 pm #

    to own a gun comes the responsibility to lock it up and protect children.

  4. brucethomasw April 28, 2013 at 8:14 pm #

    As a Canadian, I have a different psyche about guns. Sadly, our conservative government ‘killed’ the gun registry. This was against the wishes of most Canadian law enforcement people.

    In regards to the questions in this and your previous post, I’m going to make an analogy of guns and automobiles- because in a way, autos can be dangerous like a loaded weapon. If a person who is drivng accidently kills a person – say a jay walker – we don’t find the driver or the owner of the car guilty.

    However, what about the other, serious effects of driving an automobile – like pollution and climate change. Every person who drives or owns a vehicle, is at fault here. Although less blame is on the ambulancve driver who takes gunshot victims to hospital.

    I’m just saying, that guns, indeed like all technolgy, are neither good nor bad in and of itself – it is how people use or abuse this technolgy that matters. And also, how technology evolves.

    To conclude:

    Yes I’m for stricter gun contol with heavier penalites – like also I’m for stricter auto emmsions standards and carbon tax penalties for fuel wasteage.

    Change that in my view, would build a more peaceful and better world.

  5. Anne April 28, 2013 at 8:23 pm #

    There absolutely should be a penalty for negligence that causes injury or death. Anyone who owns potentially dangerous things (swimming pools, table saws, guns…) takes on the responsibility for those things. If they are parents or guardians of children, they are responsible for ensuring the safety of those children. While I understand that it is virtually impossible to guard against every accident, or to watch a child all the time, it is reasonable to expect sufficient supervision that would keep loaded guns and dangerous tools out of the hands of children.

  6. TamrahJo April 28, 2013 at 8:28 pm #

    I agree with Anne – if a four year old had started a car and run over his friend, or pushed his friend into an un-gated pool area, the owner of the car or pool would be facing at least a civil law suit, if not criminal charges – – why is the fact that it happened with an unsecured and easy to access gun making it different than other examples of irresponsible parenting/ownership/child care?

    • charlypriest April 29, 2013 at 4:53 pm #

      Couldn´t agree with you more. It´s all about responsibility, the kid can get a knife from the kitchen as far as I´m concern and slice the other kid into sushi, it did happen at a university in the U.S not very long ago. I think in Texas, don´t remember. Nuts are everywhere, just have to live with that fact. Parenting? Sort off, it´s so much a parent can do, then that little person develops his or her own personality and go figure. I´m not American(although I wouldn´t mind to be) But you guys do have that second amendment which I support. But take the car example, it´s perfect, you can drive that into a crowd of people, it can be a weapon of mass casualties. Again, nuts are everywhere. Just have to take them out before they do something, maybe that´s to extreme…

  7. Ronnie Ann April 28, 2013 at 8:42 pm #

    I very much appreciate your articles on this important topic, and agree with you and your commenters about gun owners having a moral and – yes – legal responsibility to ensure that their weapons are safely stored. I believe there are some existing negligence cases (not sure how recent) where parents were found responsible for having unattended loaded firearms that were used by their children on other children; but at best this is a case by case thing.

    If I may, a post earlier this year on the Daily Kos (sorry if you’ve already written about this) suggests something more stringent and more formal that they call The Gun Responsibility Act. In no way does this interfere with the basic right to have firearms; just provides for legal recourse to encourage gun owners to take responsibility for them: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/01/09/1177727/-The-Gun-Responsibility-Act-of-2013

    Perhaps not exactly the law I would enact, but certainly puts the idea of gun owner responsibility right where it belongs. You want weapons? It’s your right. Just make sure they are 100% safe until YOU are ready to use it legally.

    • charlypriest April 29, 2013 at 4:56 pm #

      Ronnie Ann, in my world there is nothing 100% safe. Be it fire arms, cars driving into people, knife slicing people and I can go on and on.

      • Ronnie Ann April 29, 2013 at 5:04 pm #

        You’re right, of course, charlypriest. Accidents can happen anywhere, whether with guns or cars or children’s toys. But a nice goal for a responsible individual to aim for.

  8. kqduane April 29, 2013 at 12:00 pm #

    If it can be proved that the owner of the gun, in this situation unfortunately it’s probably the little kid’s father, was negligent, then he should be held, in some way, accountable for the tragedy. But this particular set of circumstances are, thank God, unique. Most crimes are perpetrated with stolen guns and holding the owners accountable for those crimes becomes more dicey.

  9. crossinh April 29, 2013 at 4:32 pm #

    I do know that if a gun owner is negligent but no one dies, they can have their gun license and gun take away. There was a man whose gun accidentally got left behind on a movie theatre. Two kids found it and alerted an adult. The police came and the gun owner lost his gun and license. I think that was an appropriate action.

  10. avwalters April 29, 2013 at 5:13 pm #

    I think that the charge is negligent endangerment.

  11. serendipityherbals April 30, 2013 at 11:20 pm #

    Are you open to a different point of view?
    I think, sadly, some people ARE irresponsible, with much, more than guns. However, legislating laws for everyone when really, you’re targeting the lowest, common denominator seems only logical from a perspective of someone who lives “safely” in one point of view. Realizing most *legal* gun owners are both intelligent and responsible, and realizing that the corporate community news generally relies on sensationalist stories to keep readership and highlights the largest nuts that abound in society, I want to give another view.

    I am a forager, and a hunter. I am an herbalist. I have spent much of my life living in the *backwoods* where surprisingly, drug addicts making dope are often found, as well as wild creatures of nature. I consider myself a spiritual commune-r of life and love, foraging my food and medicines, raising my own food in my backyard as well. I live life in the nitty gritty. I have healed cancer in myself with wild foraged medicine, healed from paralysis and stroke and much more. I live close to nature. For a long while, I lived at 11,000 ft altitude. I also enjoy a good trap competition and am a fencer. I study biochemistry and botany professionally and in my spare time. I’ve been in pretty tight situations in the deep woods (criminally insane people and the natural forces of life, animals). Of course, it seems to me, the American people are pacified anymore, do not understand what real livin’ and real health are anymore.People prefer addictive drugs made from herbs rather than the whole healing from nutrition and herbal actions anymore. They rather be chained to a system of corporatism then be responsible for their own health and life. Most of the guns involved in crimes are illegally obtained. Our own CIA has actually been a participant in moving illegal guns and drugs into depressed areas of our nation. Of course, people in the gun debate do not want to really look at societal ills in any way, shape or form. And they rather believe their doctor has the cure for their cancer, obesity, dis-spiritedness. I don’t view guns any more dangerous as my sword, my foils, my forks, my intellectual capacity. I could make a bomb right this moment, because I am…….*wait for it*……intelligent and understand biochemistry to a deep degree. Of course, since I am bent toward love and the light of humanity, I’d rather use that capacity to help heal people with herbs from their biochemical misfortune…which is anymore, largely related to chemical exposures in our modern, endocrine system nullifying civilization environment….but hey. don’t want to put too much out there at once! Perhaps, all the *fear* of life and death has to be because no one is actually living a natural life anymore, as religion has deemed *civilization* as God. Only civilization comes at the cost of the natural world, common sense, and the human being. Catch 22! I deplore violence, but I am not uneducated about the real nature of life or the wild that I choose to spend most of my life in. I do not depend on grocery stores for my own food, but rather, wild hunted food, foraged food, and that which I receive slaughtered from my local farmers. However, many prefer their domesticated, iodine deficient, hormone laden, tortured food, so what I say is hearsay, of the greatest accord!
    So, if you’re into victimization, pseudo-intellectualism, and having all your products provided for you, and all your pills ready for you at the eventually time of vitality demise, then I would subscribe to a point of view that a government turned in on itself, and a citizenry that is super afraid instead of common sense, would vote guns as dangerous, and the system as a perfection of civilization, and ones intellect as the be all, end all of progress. I say before taking away gun rights, lets take away car rights…a big cause of environmental destruction AND drain on the taxpayer funds for roads. I might be a Hungarian/Cherokee blend tho’, and realize, in both instances, our guns were taken away for other purposes under the guise of *community safety*. We’ll never be safe in America tho’, because of the disadvantaged inner cities where guns and drugs were purposefully introduced to hopeless segments of our racially depressed environments for political strategy….but by all means, lets keep grabbing the attention of suburbanites disconnected to their own bodies, life, and truth! Maybe they can swing the political battles in favor of more *safety* and totalitarianism! And that’s, basically, my view of an insane controversial argument about guns.. Societies job is to punish wrongdoers, to force ridiculous societal protocols on everyone in the effort to make our mortal lives safer than they are. We all die. If you want to look towards the spiritual, then answer ones need that way. A lot of *heinous* shit happens under the guise of *safety*. Basically the ruse of Hitler and Stalin in their regimes to get people to follow them, was to enact ridiculous regulation under the idea of *safety*. A compassionate society is *safe*…a very real point that most people have forgotten anymore! Are you compassionate or afraid?

    • Malcolm Greenhill May 4, 2013 at 8:07 pm #

      I have only just read this great and wonderfully wise comment. What a breath of fresh air.

      • rmekrnl May 4, 2013 at 8:26 pm #

        Let’s use Occam’s razor here and keep with the simplest response. In our country, one can buy, own and have whatever type of ammunition for almost any type of gun one wants and has the money to pay for, provided they can pass the already-mandated background checks. However, responsible gun ownership comes with the responsibility to properly secure firearms, especially if young children are around, so, yes, the gun owner is responsible, whether civilly or criminally, or perhaps both.

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