Teach Your Children Well?

21 Apr

Okay, let’s try this…a simple yes or no is required…

You look outside and see that your 4 year old child is being hit by another 4 year old with a stick… Do you run outside and hand your child a stick and then say, “Here, now you are both safe.”

You hear that some unruly students at your child’s middle school like to push and shove and bully others while playing on the playground …Would you ask the principal to make an announcement  to the entire student body that from now on everyone in the school is authorized to push and shove and bully in retaliation to anyone who provokes them, in the interest of safety, order and security for all?

Your child comes home from high school and tells you that some of the other students carry switch blades which they often flaunt during lunch…Do you give your child a switchblade and say, “Don’t worry, show this to everyone tomorrow at lunch so that they will know to leave you alone from now on”?

If you answered no to these questions then at what age would you deem it appropriate to give your child a gun in the interest of helping them secure their future safety?

27 Responses to “Teach Your Children Well?”

  1. Dan Hennessy April 21, 2013 at 3:42 am #

    When I was a middle school dean several parents did encourage their kids to fight . Usually , those kids were the aggressors . The uncle of one gave him a gun to “protect” himself . Gang neighborhood . Self-destructive mentality was common in the community .
    I agree with your point . Violence breeds violence , and that is not an effective solution to violence.

  2. jim belli April 21, 2013 at 4:44 am #

    First event: I’d teach my child it’s unacceptable to be a victim. Second, look to authorities to protect them. Finally: I carry daily, my children know the value of our weapons. ..and know how to use them…but we never use them as retribution. Only to protect our liberties that the left socialist liberals are so certain are not an American right any longer.

  3. List of X April 21, 2013 at 4:53 am #

    It’s a rhetorical question when you ask most parents. But if you ask the NRA, their answer would probably be something like “as soon as they lift one off the ground”.

  4. makagutu April 21, 2013 at 6:17 am #

    I don’t think the questions are a yes or no kind of questions. Why?, because I think there is a middle ground which doesn’t involve the options proposed in the post.

  5. dannignt April 21, 2013 at 11:20 am #

    Well, this is a very thought provoking topic. I have to be honest with you, I have written my reply four times…..

    Firstly, perhaps schools need to become more involved in educating young kids about the danger of guns, just like they are educated about sex. I am not running these two topics parallel to one another, however, they both have consequences when acted upon without knowing the outcome.

    Secondly, as some parents are arming their kids with weapons, it’s going to be a hard task to expect them to take responsibility for teaching them the dangers. However, perhaps Obama & the NRA could, instead of fighting against each other, work TOGETHER on an education campaign to reduce the number of gun deaths in the US. They really ought to be working together on a solution to this because fighting against each other is not going to work. It obviously isn’t working because there are still gun-related deaths occurring today, even after the Sandy Hook tragedy. Have neither groups watched Sesame Street? Co-operation ….. They need to reach a compromise, and soon.

    This is a seriously hard topic to discuss. But I think first educating kids about guns is the first point of call and second the government & the NRA should be working in tandem to find a solution.

    I am a kiwi living in Australia. We don’t have a gun issue here or in NZ so I feel like I am a two-bit armchair critic on this one. I honestly don’t know what I’d do if guns were a problem at my son’s school…..

    What does everyone else think?

  6. Missriete April 21, 2013 at 1:27 pm #

    My thoughts exactly!
    Being a teacher in the Netherlands we don’t see that much gun-related school violence but I do encounter far too many parents who “order” their kids to push, shove, bully and beat up their fellow students in order to defend themselves. These are of course always the most aggressive kids at school and deaf to reason.

  7. momshieb April 21, 2013 at 2:06 pm #

    Perfect way to expose the fallacy of the pro-gun argument. Thank you!!

  8. Sam Sorbo April 21, 2013 at 2:45 pm #

    Your examples are entirely flawed and naive. Are we all children? Children of the government? No! Do we simply advise our children to turn their backs on bullies?
    The correct analogy would be, if your wife were home with your four-year-old and an intruder entered her house, you would advise her to a. call the police and sit tight for the 15 minutes it would take for the police, while he raped her and killed the child in front of her, or b. to go get the gun she was trained to handle and then call the police and wait the fifteen minutes with the intruder at gun-point until an arrest could be made, thus preventing other families from experiencing similar tragedies?
    But, sure, if you view yourself the equivalent of a child on a playground, then your analogy totally makes sense.

    • gpicone April 21, 2013 at 7:20 pm #

      It was a simple and not a naive question at all. What do you teach your children?

  9. cowboylawyer April 21, 2013 at 11:30 pm #

    I will answer your final question with a specific answer. I would say age 18, when the threats are no longer sticks. When the threats are from armed criminals in dark parking lots, a college age daughter would be safer with a gun in her purse.

    • DevonTexas May 21, 2013 at 2:52 pm #

      That way, the thief that steals her purse will now be armed with a gun. Good idea.

  10. emmylgant April 22, 2013 at 1:18 am #

    Obviously it is an uncomfortable question…. needed to be asked though and should be carefully explored and answered.

  11. Malcolm Greenhill April 22, 2013 at 7:42 pm #

    In any civilized society force has no place as a method of social interaction. In your school example the only thing that removes force from the equation is the authority of the principal to expel students should they attempt to use force in their interactions. Outside school most people use persuasion and the only thing that prevents anyone using force is the threat of arrest by the police. However, unlike the school principal, the police are not usually around when you need them.

    If I carry a gun you can’t deal with me through force, you have to use reason and try to persuade me because I have a way to negate your threat of force. The gun is the only personal weapon that puts a 100-pound woman on equal footing with a 220-pound mugger. The 100-pound woman does not carry a gun because she is afraid, she carries a gun so she does not have to be afraid. The gun does not limit the actions of those who would interact with her through reason and persuasion. It only limits the actions of those who would do so by force. The gun removes force from the equation and that is why carrying a gun is a civilized act.

  12. Jae April 22, 2013 at 7:58 pm #

    I don’t know that there is an all-encompassing “age” for kids when it comes to guns. Maturity levels differ. I think if a mature kid is interested in owning a gun, let the kid earn the full cost of it and have them commit to taking the NRA safety class (assuming you hadn’t already taken them through it in the first place. My dad preached gun safety to us very early on and trained us regularly). If gun safety is something a parent is unwilling to teach or have taught, then they should sell their guns and take their chances with police protection. Be responsible or stay away from it.

    As for bullies, I think the best advice to a kid is: Never start fights, but make sure you finish them (I’m talking strictly fists here). It’s basically the same as saying don’t go looking for trouble, but if trouble finds you, keep yourself safe.

  13. alesiablogs April 23, 2013 at 5:27 am #

    You opened a can of worms. Obviously even our damn senators can’t even vote straight on this subject.

  14. charlypriest April 24, 2013 at 10:30 am #

    Thank for following my blog. Interesting questions you post here. My experience, when I was in high school in the U.S, being from Spain I didn´t fit in with the jocks, nerds,nor the asians, mexicans, blacks, you name it. I got bullied ALOT, and I still remember the day. Baseball practice, the so called coach lines 10 of us 50 yards from where he was hitting the ball. Of course this bastard, one of the jocks, kept coming to my side and getting the ball. I didn´t do anything about it. Until I started to get really pissed off(the bullying went for roughly a year), so when the ball was going on his side I quickly jumped forward and grabbed it. Needless to say he wasn´t too happy that the Spanish idiot embarrassed him in front of his cool friends. So he came at me, I through my glove to the ground and when he came near I swung at him hitting him smack in the face(at that time I was quite amazed with myself) I was so surprised he didn´t have a reaction or at last not a quick reaction because I managed to hit him again and on top of that I spat on his face. In a matter of ten seconds people rushed in to grab me. Consequences: I got kicked out of the team but no suspension, never got bullied in that torturous way again, they would talk behind my back but wouldn´t do it to my face. Why? I already talked with my tutor, I was in a foreign country with no parents around. The tutor or teachers can´t really do much at the end of the day bad guy´s will always be bad.(is better to focus more on mental health issues and having people with those issues have a more comprehensive view by others and more easily diagnosed and treated by a psychiatrist, I will say this people with mental issues, I have a friend with schizophrenia and I´ve seen first hand a full blown out psychotic episode, the misconception is that they´re violent and that is just not true, it´s a very very small %) Your parents play a factor for sure, but is also YOU, you are not your parents, you have your own personality. Which leads me to the gun control. Having a gun, knowing how it operates, and being mindful that it´s a dangerous piece of equipment, is the best way do disuade an attacker. I had a gun pulled off on me when I was in college, by that time my insecurities where gone since I knew I could defend myself(took Mua-Tai lessons never used it unless necessary but it helped me in my insecurities and socializing), he was just one feet in front of me when I realised his hand go into his right hand pocket and start pulling this thing out, quick thinking, speed and violence of action(as military people would say) got me to slap him in his arm,didn´t knock the gun out but managed to hit him on the face and then I took off running faster than a gazelle. If I had a gun in that situation it could´ve turned into the O.K Corral, or stand off or him running away. But other situations: if you actually notice suspicious person following you, you might have the time to get your gun into a position where is easily accessible to pull it out if necessary dissuading the person. And if you´re in the house: Situation 1- person breaks in, you hear it pull out your gun and point it at him. It will dissuade. Situation 2-person or persons break into house a you see or might think that you see a weapon, shoot first ask questions later. There will always be nuts and bad people, and depending on the situation yes a gun is necessary. Even when there are two guy´s trying to mug you just with fists, you can end up in the hospital or worst just being hit repeatedly or stumped upon. You pull a gun out and dissuasion. Plus shooting a human being is not that easy, having spent 4 years in the Spanish Legion, even with all the constant over and over again training of the same thing, when you get deployed and shots are fired at you and explosion, a lot of emotions go through, eventually you´re training does kick in, but that´s me. So again, is being mindful of a dangerous thing you have, and if you ARE going to use it I agree with the post of Jae, I´m talking in the civilian world, never start a fight but if they come at you, better not hesitate and go 100% either fists or shooting.

    • Goodness greef April 29, 2013 at 11:46 pm #

      Thanks for the long and considered reply which helps us all see where you are coming from as a person with your own particular set of experiences. I think that’s great.

  15. lyndaanning April 24, 2013 at 9:08 pm #

    very wise words. x

  16. Jixi Fox April 25, 2013 at 3:51 am #

    🙂

  17. Goodness greef April 29, 2013 at 11:42 pm #

    It’s a very interesting post. As an Australian, it will always be hard to understand the need for having so many guns in the community. We had an incident a few years ago in a place called Port Arthur involving a man called Martin Bryant. Pretty much, straight after those shootings a lot of Australians were asked to hand in their rifles and the gun laws were tightened severely. I sincerely hope that something like that can eventually happen over there in the states. But that’s just my opinion. One of my best friends when I was living in Japan was a staunch defender of people’s rights to arm themselves, and I could sometimes see where he was coming from. I had a lot of respect for that person. I just thought he was wrong, but like I said, I believe in his right to disagree. I wish you guys over there stateside all the best.

  18. dawnspitfire May 16, 2013 at 2:55 am #

    Now…THAT is some food for thought.
    Problem is…most that are ignorant enough to do that, can’t read or comprehend this level. And certainly wouldn’t be “reading” when or if they get online.
    I suppose…word of mouth does go far though. And this will provoke conversation.

  19. Larry Murray May 16, 2013 at 1:36 pm #

    Your questions show there are no simple,, black and white answers. At age four I am sure I would always be within earshot of the kid. By middle school my growing child would know there are a variety of responses to bullying. But providing knives and similar weapons instead of your head is the response of the ignorant.

  20. sovinecoaching May 21, 2013 at 1:26 pm #

    Common sense. Like it!!

  21. joseyphina May 25, 2013 at 3:40 pm #

    hmmm…thought-provoking!

  22. janelily7 June 2, 2013 at 11:08 am #

    I difficult one. I don’t think there is one answer. This is a world wide problem.

    My opinion is that it should start at home when the children are toddlers. If your toddler bites you; like they do gently bite him back.
    The parents play a big roll. When the children are growing up, this is the most vulnerable time of their lives so, don’t argue in front of the children!

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