Let’s Get Real

14 Apr


Gun proponents and advocates who disagree with my pro gun regulation blogs always seem to disagree with me, and others who try to promote gun regulation and safety, in the same way.

First they question and mock my ability to read and understand the Constitution of the United States. Next they state that because “the right to bear arms” is in the Constitution there can never be any debate or discussion about it nor any amendments or modifications or clarifications made to it. (which of course is what an amendment is in the first place)

Then they point out how guns actually save lives and point me to sites all around the internet that extol the virtues of those who have thwarted murderers, robbers and rapists etc. by shooting and killing them.  And finally they always resort to a paranoid complaint about how I and others like me just want to take away their guns so as to begin the establishment of an apocalyptic end of times government that will take away all of their freedoms once they have lost the ability to defend themselves with guns.

It is precisely these traits, i.e. the use of sarcasm rather than facts, the refusal to discuss differences and the belief that others are against them simply because they wish to do them harm, that scare non gun users. People who arm themselves with dangerous weapons for whatever purpose, are dangerous none the less. And history and statistics have shown us that the difference between a person with a “defensive weapon” and one who uses it to kill another person can simply be the difference between their access to that weapon, their lack of knowledge in the use of that weapon or simply their level of anger and aggravation at the time they choose to use it.

No one has asked or even expects people to give up their guns or their rights to own them as stated under the 2nd Amendment of the U.S. Constitution.

The  package of gun laws proposed by President Obama after the Newtown attack by a lone gunman,  included expanding background checks on gun buyers, toughening laws against gun trafficking and straw purchases, banning semi-automatic rifles modeled after military assault weapons as well as large-capacity ammunition magazines, and coming up with ideas for improving school safety.

The weapons ban, on semi-automatic rifles modeled after military assault weapons as well as large-capacity ammunition magazines would update a 1994 law that expired in 2004,  and the White House is pushing hard for expanding background checks to all gun purchases in an effort to close a loophole that exempts private sales, such as transactions at gun conventions.

Federal law already prohibits selling guns to felons or the mentally ill. Background checks are the only way to enforce that law. So, besides criminals and the insane, who could possibly oppose universal background checks?

These proposals are not asking Americans to give up their guns. There are 270 million guns in the United States already. No one expects, nor wants,  nor is even willing to attempt to try to confiscate them. The U.S. Government didn’t even try to confiscate guns before, during or after the greatest conflict between its citizens and the government in the history of our country…The American Civil War!

Long before the Constitution was ratified by the United States another document was approved and hailed as one of the greatest achievements in the history of mankind and it said…

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.–

Our most precious and unalienable rights, those of  life liberty and the pursuit of happiness, cannot be realized if one is dead. And fully and undeniably 70% of all gun related deaths are caused not by murderers or outlaws but by neighbors and family members and friends because they own guns or have access to them without safety, knowledge of use, or regulation.

Our right to life here in America is our most basic right…The right to own guns comes later, and no one is denying anyone that right, but those of us in favor of gun regulation want to discuss safety and life and childhoods and adulthoods free and alive to pursue all human rights everywhere.

So why can’t gun advocates even discuss that? Why can’t we meaningfully and intelligently discuss the just and proper regulation, use and ownership of things that are meant only to kill?

If History teaches us anything it’s that angrily refusing debate, discussion and compromise is always a precursor to a lost cause.

18 Responses to “Let’s Get Real”

  1. tric April 14, 2013 at 10:12 pm #

    Guns and abortion. I can’t imagine any other topics which evoke such passion. No one ever really listens to the other side, they only read to oppose.

  2. momshieb April 14, 2013 at 10:21 pm #

    Bravo. Thank you.
    How can you have this published, so that more readers can see it? Huff PO? Slate? How?

  3. Ken Short April 14, 2013 at 10:28 pm #

    I have fired guns at targets but have not been trained in the handling of firearms. I do not own a gun nor do I wish to own a gun. I believe in the idea of private gun ownership and I believe in strict gun control. This is based on a firm belief that rights come with responsibility. If you do not want the responsibility then you do not deserve the right.

    However I am tired of this recent gun debate. I am tired of people posting quotes, pictures, articles, etc from both sides that are erroneous, ridiculous, crude and in many cases just plain idiotic. I am tired of no one offering a solution that makes common sense and instead stick to their respective sides’ mantra. The internet is a powerful tool and like guns, in the wrong hands can be dangerous and even deadly.

    Guns are designed for one purpose, to shoot a bullet. What that bullet is aimed at is at the discretion of the user. We seem to get caught up in this morass of magazine capacity, assault weapon bans, how a gun looks, how many bullets it can shoot, semi auto or auto, etc. I have seen posts about what the Second Amendment says, ownership in Switzerland and Israel, 19 year olds owning a gun, Secret Service Protection for children of the president, and so on and so on. Are we mad? I have yet to hear a call from the NRA or the anti gun lobby to improve mental health in the US. Where is the call for background checks or wait period for buying a gun? Limits on what and how many guns can be held in the house? Or federal licensing for guns? Or how about the reality that times have changed and so should our views on gun ownership.

    The Second Amendment is one sentence, “A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a Free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed.” When this was written the United States did not have a large standing army and it relied on state militias, citizens lived in areas that had real danger and no police. Also until the revolver was invented they were all single shot weapons.

    Many of you have called for us to be like Switzerland or Israel where everyone has a gun in their home. I’m all for that if we are going to follow the same rules as Switzerland and Israel. The Swiss have Universal Conscription (draft) and issue the Sturmgewehr 90 assault rifle and military kit which are kept at home. Until September 2007, soldiers received 50 rounds of government-issued ammunition in a sealed box with STRICT penalties if the box was unsealed regardless if bullets were missing. Currently they are not allowed to keep the ammunition at home. Private gun ownership is considered to be restrictive and owners are legally responsible for third party access and usage of their weapons. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_Switzerland

    It is forbidden in Israel to own any kind of firearm, including air pistols and rifles, without a firearms license. The have very restrictive rules about who can own a gun and how many. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics#Israel

    One of my favorites is one about Michael Bloomberg placing an age limit on gun ownership and those 19 year olds who protect his “pansy ass”. Yes 17, 18, and 19 year olds can enlist. However, recruits are issued a fire arm, receive intense training in the operation, maintenance and proper handling of the weapon and are under almost constant supervision. How many of these soldiers carry weapons when they are not in a combat zone or when they are off base?

    The President’s daughters Secret Service Protection, really? Your argument is they have it, so should we? Show me a large number of people with the sole intent to bring you real harm and I will be the first in line to give you any gun you want or demand a protective detail for you.
    We no longer live alone on the frontier threatened by Indian raids and wild animals looking to ravage our families. We are not in the Wild West (where guns were banned in many places); we have a well trained police force to provide protection. Whether we like it or not we can no longer use 18th century conditions as the basis for 21st century laws. Until this happens we will continue with these knee jerk reactions to these horrible atrocities. The access to various weapons or guns is only a small part of the solution we need to look deeper in to why these individuals are prone to mass shootings or why we feel the need to solve confrontations with a gun or any other weapon. I am happy to debate but I refuse to argue with stupid.

    • mvschulze April 15, 2013 at 2:02 pm #

      Good post, Common Sense in contemporary socity.

  4. onnovocks April 14, 2013 at 10:37 pm #

    Great post. In answer to your last question I think it’s because they fear that regulation will be merely a stepping stone to a full ban on all guns.

  5. Maurice A. Barry April 14, 2013 at 10:41 pm #

    Good stuff. I just wish those who need to hear your argument would listen with an open mind.

  6. kingmidget April 14, 2013 at 10:46 pm #

    Yes … how often have we heard in the last few months that the only person who can stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun. As I’ve pointed out ad nauseum, just about every one of these attacks that grab the headlines involved somebody who was a good guy until the moment they snapped.

    • W E Patterson April 15, 2013 at 12:49 pm #

      A couple of days after the Newtown tragedy, an acquaintance of mine had the audacity to post on Facebook, that tripe about the “only way to stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun”. To which I could only reply that the good guys had better start showing up a little sooner.

      • kingmidget April 15, 2013 at 1:39 pm #

        But if they had their way, everybody would have a gun. What a scary notion.

  7. bobdog93 April 14, 2013 at 11:43 pm #

    Reblogged this on bobdog93's Blog and commented:
    Excellent post that any and all should read.

  8. bobdog93 April 14, 2013 at 11:45 pm #

    This was an excellent post that hit on why gun regulation is necessary. Unreasonable people with guns are more likely to hurt someone rather than someone who is open to debate. Thank you very much fir this post.

  9. A Voice April 15, 2013 at 12:00 am #

    Never underestimate the stupidity of other people or just how far they will go, just how much effort they will expend, to avoid thinking.

  10. shunpwrites April 15, 2013 at 12:03 am #

    Well said my friend! I am a gun owner and I FAVOR gun control regulations for the donkeys who SHOULD NOT have access to a firearm. What is so radical about that?Unless you’re a donkey that is!

  11. ontyrepassages April 15, 2013 at 12:26 am #

    I applaud you, for you are the voice of reason.

  12. NO ULTERIOR MOTIVE April 15, 2013 at 12:47 am #

    After being around on this planet for more than whole bunch of years, hearing your description of what’s happening, and not happening, about control I agree with you. One reason they don’t want to intelligently discuss this issue is fear, they’re afraid they’ll not be able to truthfully defend their position. Also, I’ve noticed, sometimes the people hollering the loudest are always holding the weakest position.

  13. aurorawatcherak April 15, 2013 at 2:46 am #

    Again, since gun RIGHTS are in the Constitution, the only appropriate place to regulate them is through a Constitutional amendment. Congress has no right to take away RIGHTS without putting the decision before the people of the United States. If you feel so strongly that you have the right to take away an unalienable right, then by all means, lobby for a Constitutional amendment to do just that. Let each and every Representative and Senator go on record that they believe this is not tyranny so that people can decide for themselves whether to reelect them again. Then, let it go before the state legislatures and see if it can garner the required votes for ratification. And, IF … IF the people decide this is a good idea, we’ll no longer have gun rights in this nation and … well, we’ll see what happens then. I suspect you won’t like it when the government no longer has any reason to respect the people.

  14. Jae April 15, 2013 at 4:06 pm #

    You already know my feelings on this debate, and I think we’re at the point of agree to disagree. But I do think it’s interesting to note that even the ACLU has issues with Reid’s proposal. http://dailycaller.com/2013/04/04/exclusive-aclu-says-reids-gun-legislation-could-threaten-privacy-rights-civil-liberties/

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